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Couple of observations.. First, it seems you guys are ignoring Steve Rice. It might pay to listen to a guy that has a 220 mph inline turbo funnybike.

Second. You must realize that Ray and a couple of others are only coming over to play around a little bit. There will be no HD invasion. Why, because these guys are used to racing for a lot more money than Dragbike funnybike will pay.

That is why it would be so hard to set up a class for them that would attract them. The purse would have to be higher than top fuel. Can't see that happening.

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Steve isn't the solution to this vexing dilemma:

6.15 > 6.43
 
That's huge, and is based on the the best FB the class has to offer...it doesn't even begin to address the rest of the currently active bikes.
 
An HD invasion my not be likely, but demoralization and uncertainty have already occurred with a contender this fast injected into a class that's not prepared to mount an effective defense (Futurama aspirations aside).  Put another way...what you are saying is that it COULD be much worse if they all come, but since it's only as bad as it is, it's OK?
 
I don't get it.  They kick turbos out of ProMod because they MIGHT be too fast one day.  Then when a combo is introduced into FB that's head and shoulders ahead of the pack, well that's apparently OK.  Huh?
 
Jay, love ya, but your affinity for Nitro is showing Wink


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Math is a son of a gun.  One thing about math......when it's close to being the right answer it still does not count as being right.
 
You can't ignore 9 years of no repeat 6.45's and you can't ignore the few that were able to run in the 6.40's   Gary Clark, Korry Hogan (Clark prepped), Travis Davis and the new record holder Keith Lynn/Roger Gordon.  And, those 6.40's have not been posted often.
220?  How many?  That twin can run those high MPH's  and 230's many more times.
 
It's much easier to sell the idea to a person that you can build something that runs a certain number when you have done it.   That's the Missouri philosophy and motto........."show me".  Then you have to find someone that's gonna let you "Show them" that something can be done......that you have not done......on their dime.   Today money is tight.
 
 


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Come on now, you cant compare nitro v-twin to turbo inline. now can you. Nitro v-twin has been on the cutting edge for the last 10 years always evolving, turbo hasnt changed. how can they be compaired. How do you fix it ASAP...... Its impossable.... deal with it....Its time to move on....

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Originally posted by Hahn RaceCraft

<FONT size=+0>Steve isn't the solution to this vexing dilemma:


6.15 > 6.43

Jay, love ya, but your affinity for Nitro is showing Wink


Bill;
Steve has stated at least three times in this thread that it can be done. Why don't you believe him?

Next, If you read back a ways you will see I am the one who said the V Twins belong in their own class, not funnybike. You guys are trying to figure out how to slow them down to keep them.   

What I want to know is, lets say, by next summer that the Morgan bike is laying down 20s and 30s, what are you and Marc going to be posting then?

Jay

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Yes, Jay, that's it...base your entire premise on conjecture and future predictions.  Great plan for the racers currently in the lurch.  What about NOW?
 
I have an idea though...Steve's looking for deep pockets to finance a venture of as-yet-unproven potential...how about you step up to the plate and put your money where both of your mouths are?
 
When John Morgan's bike shows its potential, and when enough others are built to make a field of reasonable size, of course this current conversation will become moot...you get no smart points for pointing out that obviation.  When do you think this full field of New Age bikes will be realized?  Next year?  2011?  2015?
 
How many will YOU build based purely on the speculation that they may rock out and turn back the HD scourge?  Based on your answer...how many will OTHERS build?  I'd say that as long as the TF HD's have their way, far fewer, if any.
 
 
 


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Jay,
You could be selling "turn key" 6.20 Funnybikes. 
I'm sure they will sell like hot cakes.  Big smile  Folks will be bamming on the doors of APE like they do for Miracle Whip after store hours. Tongue
 
 
You know how many folks said what the ZX and Busa motors where gonna do in comparison to the performance of the "old school" motors?  Then after Funnybikes and Pro Mods were built with those motors people lowered their expectations.  They applauded them for getting CLOSE in performance to the "old school" motors.   The records in FB and Pro Mod were all done by the older motors with aftermarket parts.   Streetbike turbo's with ZX and Busa powerplants is one thing. Putting 11x29's to 13x29's up under those motors is another.   We saw other pics of "new age" stuff from Ian.  When Scott Valentine asked the magic question....."What about the numbers?"  Then we get, "uh....oh...(scratch head)....uh well..err uh." Tongue  Dragracing is a small world.  If any of those bikes turn any mind blowing numbers we will hear about it within HOURS....lol.  Again, I believe in the Missouri moto...."Show me."  Cool
 
 
Steve is to be commended and respected on his success with the ZX FB just as you are to be commended and respected on the success of your company and the parts you make.   I respect everyones opinions and comments.....I just have a different opinion about the issue in discussion and how it is to be handled presently.  Slowing the Nitro V-twin down as you say is no different than some peoples opinions on slowing the Buells and V-Rods down.  NHRA should just drop all that weight they keep adding to them and let'em rip Smile.  Right? Cool
 
 
 
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We humans have this thing that   If We are not Challenged We do Nothing...

 

Necessity is the mother of Invention...Wink

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It can be done. 

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Originally posted by Gatormaker

 

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It can be done. 
Make that 4 times. Sleepy
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As long as you believe that is all that matters.
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 When is the last time you did a poker run?   I did one this weekend over 2000 bikes mostly Harleys. Try to get that many Jap bikes together like that. These are the people that want to go see Nitro Harleys Race. Much needed spectators. You guys are missing the boat. (Not overboard but on the dock) we are moving forward. Welcome aboard fasten your SEAT belt it is going to get a little bumpy.  


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At the meting of funny bike racer we allow TF HD in our class in exchange of restriction on there TF.
Were are the restriction Actually?
Where are the new rule change for FB? Can I put Bigger tire like 14''?
The objective of the promotor is to have more bikes in the class and more people in the stands.
AMA have get more people in the stand?

My opinion is we will probably see more TF and few jap bike if AMA still in this position.


Sorry I dont have Idol on Harley !

Sorry for retailer of aftermarket case I am competitive In FB without billet case.

I spent too much in my actual combination I will develop My actual bike.

Allow turbo in promod can help racer to study and step up to funny bike in future.

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I am sure that when all the comments, concerns, opinions and facts are digested and reviewed carefully, an intelligent and sensible solution will be found.   Whatever the solution is, I"m sure everyone won't be happy however I believe one is successful when a decision makes most of the people happy.  I think with some patience, clarity and direction will emerge. 

 
 
 


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Sorry I dont have Idol on Harley !
If your Harley dont idol------check the low speed jet or the intake for leaks
Quit asking me questions that make me remember how long ago that was!
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you (Funny 1 senior member) you have no reason to mis understand it.

Pout your glass in your eyes

Idol = i'dolatrous = i'dolatry= idolize     Inot idle


I dont idolise Harley I dont Have Harley too.


 I dont Have problem of idle my susukie runs good






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I am sorry Yves-----just joking around.

I see your in the construction business-are you using skill saw blades for front rotors?

Joking again Yves.--------Very nice bike and I'm not joking
Quit asking me questions that make me remember how long ago that was!
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2009 at 1:40pm
funny1...I believe those rotors 'cut' through the air better Clown 
 
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