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    Posted: 25 February 2009 at 12:31pm

Looking for information on building a remote starter for my 450 Suzuki Bonneville Salt Flat entry.  Aluminum laydown, turbocharged, inner cooled, methanol injected (Electronic) and running low on funds.  Don't want to spend 500 bucks, hoping someone can recommend a brand of starter I can start with to do the job.  I can make the mods nesessary to convert the drive.  Looking through the books, there are zillions out there, where to start?

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  Quote KAW2118 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 3:19pm

DODGE SLANT 6 STARTER 2 BATTERYS  WIRE 24 VDWink

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  Quote funny1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 3:47pm

Yes the old Mopar will work -you want the ones that are NOT high torque.The high torque model has a taller gear ratio for the gear reduction section and dont work well.

I use the 96 3.0 litre dodge caravan starter----------lighter and smaller

I only used 1 battery but it was 1075 amp for a diesel pu truck.It would spin everything I ever put it on-mostly PM's and FB's

If you want 2 batteries I would still wire it 12 volt.
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  Quote Generatorking Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 9:48pm
Guys, thanks for that information.  As it turns out, I received an email from a fellow racer who had one for sale, and I am having him ship it to me tomorrow.  Great price and saves me from having to spend extra time perfecting my own contraption.  Curious why most of these operate at 24V.  I know it would double the torque and speed, but is that really necessary on a motorcycle engine?

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  Quote funny1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 10:15pm
Originally there is some form of a gear reduction for torque that is lost with the direct to crankshaft  remote starter.The gear reduction starters makes up for some of that.
Its aparently harder than it might appear at first
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  Quote Generatorking Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 10:34pm
I hear you on that.  But what surprises me, is watching these guys holding the remote starter with their hands and not getting twisted around.  I was at a hill climb this past summer and these guys had fuel burning bikes, I know they had to have high compression and they were starting them without any kind of a fixing device, like I've seen on the TF and FC machines at the track.  I realize that the car starters have a reduction ratio of about 12 to 15 to one,  but I still don't see how they can hold that without a locking assembly.  I saw some TF Harleys start, they just wheel the assembly up on a hand truck and it looked like it just slid over the shaft and turned it right over.  The whole battery cart, had about a 20" wide bottom, and I'm sure they relied on that to offset the torque.   I'm learning as I go about these things, I'm going to be 65 on Sunday. I used to start my B Fuel Triumphs and Nortons with rollers, something you don't see anymore.
 
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  Quote funny1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2009 at 11:17pm
I would like to see that 450--sounds interesting-----you riding it?
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  Quote APE Jay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 12:54am
GS450s have weak cranks.
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  Quote jackinzoar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 1:03am
luckily no shock-loads on salt (except to your wallet or ego)
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  Quote JSBIRD69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 3:56am
I'm looking for a Kawi remote starter as well.
 
Please check the classifieds for my wanted ad.
 
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  Quote pine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 6:36am
I used a starter from a 1990 toyota V6 pickup and built a small holding device out of an old pair of dirt bike  handlebars,it works nice the starter isn't so heavy,i've only had to replace it once in 10 years.you cut the handlebars in half and weld bungs on the lower portion and the cross bar for one side of the handle and bolt a piece of straight round stock on the other side of the handle. 

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  Quote JSBIRD69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 2:40pm
Thanks Pine!
 
I could probably handle that part OK, but how to adapt the drive to something to mount a socket on is where I'm stumped.
 
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  Quote frank spittle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 7:33pm
When I converted the first Chrysler gear reduction starter to a remote starter for motorcycles 30 years ago I used a stock Chrysler high torque gear reduction starter.  The only changes were to cut off the snout and replace the bendix gear with a special machined piece that replaced the original flywheel teeth with a 1/2 inch male drive end.  I used a 3/4 socket to mate to a special machined piece for the motorcycle  crankshaft.  But I had to have the Rockwell strength tested from the original piece and have the new piece hardened to the same.  It worked great and I never had a failure but I also saw some starters some time afterwards that had the 3/4 socket welded directly to the original bendix gear.  If they were reliable that would save some dough.
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  Quote Generatorking Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2009 at 9:52pm

Note to APE Jay,  the crank in the suzuki is a one piece forged unit, plain bearing.  From my experience, that is the strongest and most rugged design for high HP.  Will be on the dyno in a few weeks, will be glad to share the charts.  Scott and S & K racing, who did the machine work, will be operating the machine.  Anyone wanting to see some pics, email me at gcollins4@comcast.net.  Tks.

To those offering advice on the remote starter, thanks for all you input.   Hopefully, the one I have coming in will do the trick.
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  Quote Bikerphil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2009 at 4:16pm
I can't say what would be suitable to start your motor, but on high compression fours it takes a helluva lot to spin the crank. A gear reduction starter is a must, and just go for the most powerful you can find. Avoid the 1-2kw ones (it usually says on them or look online for info).
My recommendation is a toyota landcruiser starter, simply because they are available in a 24volt 4.7Kw version. Thats approx 6hp! The problem i encountered with running 12v starters on 24v is the solenoid will occasionally weld it'self together and stick on. And if the motor doesn't fire for some reason and the solenoid sticks it will try and spin you round!

It takes no effort to hold the starter whilst cranking however unless the above happensSmile
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  Quote Bikerphil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2009 at 4:19pm
Oh .... and with a tiny bit of grinding of the landcruiser starter gear a 3/4 inch socket will slide straight over and can be just tack welded into place.
To stop the bendix being thrown out when starting, take the gear reduction cassette off measure the throw of the splined shaft, and cut a piece of tube to space it out and weld it on. It's all pretty obvious once you've seen inside one.
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  Quote jackinzoar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2009 at 11:19pm
the landcruiser probably uses the same starter as a tercel or a harley (same as pingle) ,,,
works great if you have no serious compression
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  Quote JSBIRD69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2009 at 1:16am
How serious Jack?
 
I'm planning on a 1260cc, 13:1 KZ.
 
What would you suggest, if none of the above are powerful enough?
 
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  Quote Bluestreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2009 at 1:44am
I ran a 1261 @ 13/1 with a toyota pickup starter for 2 seasons, worked very well. Look for the higest rated ( in kilowatts), shim the bendix, set a 3/4 drive socket over the drive splines and tack in place. I used 2 large (1175 cca) batteries and run them in series for 24 volts. I did hook them up paralell one weekend for 12 volts and didn't really notice much difference in lightoff speed.
I am not sure I understand everything I don't know about this particular situation.
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  Quote funny1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2009 at 7:16am
I know most people wire them up 24 v----my personal experience is 24 v is hard on starter drives--thats a hell of a hit on the little one way clutch-------I would'nt unless I had to
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