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suzukiray 
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Vance & Hines has gotten NHRA approval to run 4 valve heads. Buells are still restricted to 2 valve heads & new Busa was DENIED due to transmission. Go figure, HUH?!!!! Ray.
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GOD rides a SUZUKI!
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Dave A
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 6:34pm |
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Here we go again: (give me a second to step up on the soap box )
Let us recap the decisions the NHRA has made in the last few years:
1) Shift away from the "old" 4-valve Suzuki to make way for the "older" 2-valve motor.
2) Design a new 2-valve Head and block (by Gann), get kicked in the groin by NHRA!
3) No 4-valve configuration unless it's a 4-valve late model Kawasaki (hats off to Muzzy for all he went through) or a
4) A late-model 4-valve Suzuki is ok unless it's by DSR , declined by a transmission configuration???
You look at all the purpose built twins but a transmission kocks you out of contention. Another kick in the groin.
5) Let Byron have new 4-valve heads (they will not be rejected) 3rd kick in the groin.
Solution:
A Panel of Pro Owners/Riders & Builders should all devise a plan for motor gonfigurations(all brands) and submit proposals once to NHRA for approval and that's it, no more kicks in the groin.
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S2LR
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 6:48pm |
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My figuring says that NHRA sucks...
Perhaps NHRA should be renamed to VHRA since they're obviously in bed with each other...sheesh...
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PM720
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 6:53pm |
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Ray,
Where did you see this? Can't find anything on the NHRA site.
 Scott
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Roland Tamaccio
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:14pm |
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... It's must be a rumor. They don't even need it. Unless they are worried about the DSR.
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... All the Federalees say,
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Wade Clark
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 7:57pm |
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Shayne if the 4 valve V&H twin is a true statement it is really no different than is has been in the NHRA for the last 25-30 years as far as rules and engines are concerned. VHRA thats pretty good!
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My signature was the same as Fasthouse's signature but then he changed it to some hoodoo voodoo stuff!
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Wade Clark
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 8:12pm |
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My signature was the same as Fasthouse's signature but then he changed it to some hoodoo voodoo stuff!
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jackinzoar
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 8:18pm |
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its on competitionplus.com ,,,, fact is nhra was top fuel territory till Terry came out and admited he was castrated ,,
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street cars kill bike racers
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sgiaddict
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 8:39pm |
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I'm with that Shayne . . . they recognized the DSR Suzuki as the can of whupazz that it can be and knew that they better keep the lid tightly sealed. NHRA must spend countless hours and dollars devising ways to inhibit innovation . . . you cannot just inadvertently inhibit innovation this much . . . you gotta really expend some effort workin' at it. Great job NHRA, you're a real swell bunch . . . guess they're tryin' to hold out until all of the I4 teams pull the plug and take up needlepoint. |
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I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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ROYRACEMASTER
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 9:11pm |
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MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT I THOUGHT VHR CONTROLLED THE PSM RULES FOR MANY YEARS..........I WONDER IF THEY ADDED A BUELL TO "TEAM VHR", THE 4 VALVE HEADS WOULD BE OK???? DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW WHAT THE "GEARBOX ISSUES" ARE THAT EXCLUDED THE NEW BUSA FROM THE NHRA/VHR RULES???????..........DON'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE A VHR SLICK BECOME "SPEC", LIKE THE GOODYEARS ON PRO STOCK CARS.........REALLY STINKS OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING RUBBER & NITRO IN THE MORNING......DRAG RACING IS NOT STREET RACING......WFO--OTBD
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Marc Powe
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 9:24pm |
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hahahaha.............bad Jack............you should be put in time out.......haha.
Wade,
You too..........VHRA..........hahaha. That's a good one.
You both speak the truth.
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ROYRACEMASTER
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 9:28pm |
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MARC, GLAD TO SEE WE ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING IMPORTANT........ANY THOUGHTS ON MY "NEW BUSA EXCLUSION" QUESTION??????
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I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING RUBBER & NITRO IN THE MORNING......DRAG RACING IS NOT STREET RACING......WFO--OTBD
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riceburner
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 9:28pm |
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If there are gear box issues it would have to be since the transmission is in a separate case.
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ROYRACEMASTER
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Posted: 05 January 2009 at 9:33pm |
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COULD BE A REASON, BUT DIDN'T THE FACTORY BUILD IT LIKE THAT, AND IS IT NOT AVAILABLE TO ALL?????
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I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING RUBBER & NITRO IN THE MORNING......DRAG RACING IS NOT STREET RACING......WFO--OTBD
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sonicrete
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 12:26am |
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Which one the V-Rod or the Suzuki?
The Vance And Hines V-Rod is only a V-Rod because they call it that. Stock ones are 4 valve but dual overhead cams. As such they would be a smaller displacement. They used basically the rules made for using a normal Harley twin but by calling it a V-rod could make it 60 degree.
The Buell is closer to a stock Sportster with a 60 degree angle,but also different.
NHRA let Harley own the rule book by making a motor not similar to the V-Rod or any other production engine for that matter,but could call it Pro Stock. They got the massive displacement made to make an antique pushrod Big Twin possible competitive in Pro Stock to get interest. At the time the only way to get that big is by stroke increase,bore not possible because they would collide at bottom.
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jackinzoar
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 12:36am |
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if you want to race a V Roid ,, you need preparation vH
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PM720
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 12:46am |
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I'm confused by the transmission issue, aren't 6 speed's what they are using now? Seems pretty chicken do pull the plug at this late stage but NHRA does have a history of this. I am sure this is part of the conflict between DSR & NHRA. For an organization that is losing teams fast they sure seen to be trying to come up with ways to lose more
Scott
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APE Jay
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 1:04am |
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The busa tranny issue is that it is a cassette style and removable. This was discussed at Pomona. I believe one with the tranny inside the case is probably in the works.
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ROYRACEMASTER
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 1:11am |
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Edited by ROYRACEMASTER - 06 January 2009 at 1:16am |
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I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING RUBBER & NITRO IN THE MORNING......DRAG RACING IS NOT STREET RACING......WFO--OTBD
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PM720
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Posted: 06 January 2009 at 2:51am |
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Seems like a moot point to me!
Scott
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