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    Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:54am

I loved the  staging battle Angie had with 'Drew in the 2nd round. That's what racing is all about. If I was lined up against him, I'd do the same. You go girl!

Not sure if anyone caught the short clip before they went to commercial of Angie and 'Drew just arriving at the scales, I heard Angie say something like this to 'Drew "I do what I am told or just taking orders.." Well if 'Drew was whining to her, that's a typical VHR rant, but if it was Angie feeling guilty about it, NOT NO, BUT HELL NO! You do NOT have to apologize to him, especially to that team.

Weight breaks, proprietary billet V-rod motors, motor sizes and new head designs are inluenced greatly by the proessure VHR and H-D puts on NHRA.

Did you ever notice that VHR pulls out the 6.95 combo whenever it's needed? Sandbaggers!

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  Quote Fasthouse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 9:48am

 

 Lots of weird stuff happening at the tree these days...

Whats is Steve Johnson doing? He puts both bulbs on and then turns around and watches for the other guy to get to the tree.... then backs out of the stage beam.

I dont get it... whats the purpose?

If his opponent is a pro... he's not paying attention to what Steve is doing anyway..

I think maybe its just for show.



Edited by Fasthouse - 30 September 2008 at 1:44pm
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  Quote Lonnie DeTurck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:08am
I think she did a great job, Steve just cracks me up ! Angie has been struggling and needed to do what she did. I didnt realize the faster bike makes a desicion on who stages first (LOL)......She did it with class against the HD. She went in last , as soon as the HD staged she went in right away. Very professional in my opinion. To me this is another aspect to motorcycle drag racing thats been missing. Look at the days in prostock cars, jeeze..... To me thats exciting. What steve did to me is just laughable.
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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:52pm

Angie does not owe an apology because who is Andrew Hines to think he should be the last one to stage? If Andrew let Angie into his head thats Andrew's fault because obviously Angie did not let him into hers! LOL He is just mad that for two straight races against her he had the displeasure of loading up after their pairing! BOOHOO!

About 15 years ago Warren Johnson jumped out of his car and began berating Scott Geffrion for not staging first. Scott waited and staged last and it relly meesed WJ up but like my above statement who is WJ to think he should be the last one to stage??? Before Scott Geffrion could even say anything the NHRA interviewer (I think it was Steve Evans) just outright asked WJ, why is it not ok for Scott to stage last but it was ok for WJ to stage last! WJ glared at Steve and if looks could have killed Steve would have been done for......... WJ did not answer the question and turn his back and walked over to his car. I think it was weeks before WJ would even talk to Steve Evans because of that incident on camera!! LOL

Now what is the difference with the Angie/Andrew incident from last weekend........................ Nothing!!!



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  Quote riceburner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:59pm
A racer that takes the light last, might be the one that (in their mind) has
the advantage.

Watching that particular team, it is evident that this is their mind set also.
If you have been watching the stage lights on the champions runs, he
ALWAYS goes in last. However this season there have been 2 instances
where he was forced to go in first.

The result in both rounds was a loss. Weather is was a slow light, missed
shift or whatever else excuse it was.

To be in the other lane knowing that is how the team works, I would
never have my rider go in first when racing against them.

I am surprised that more teams haven't taken that stance yet.

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  Quote 1quickGS1100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 4:50pm

I don't think Angie owes an apology! I think she did a marvelous job. I don't give a flip who I'm racing, if I don't want to go in first, I won't. I make it a habit NOT to get used to staging first or last everytime, because you don't ever know what kinda head games your opponent is gonna try to play.

I've got bad news for anyone that tries to get in my head, ain't nobody home!!!

FWIW I have better luck staging first, but if I think I can rattle your nerves and cause you to go red or make a mistake, I will stage last.

When the other teams pickup on this, I will bet you'll see more than just Angie doing this to Andrew.

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  Quote checkerflag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 5:19pm
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I don't think Angie owes an apology! I think she did a marvelous job. I don't give a flip who I'm racing, if I don't want to go in first, I won't. I make it a habit NOT to get used to staging first or last everytime, because you don't ever know what kinda head games your opponent is gonna try to play.

I've got bad news for anyone that tries to get in my head, ain't nobody home!!!

FWIW I have better luck staging first, but if I think I can rattle your nerves and cause you to go red or make a mistake, I will stage last.

When the other teams pickup on this, I will bet you'll see more than just Angie doing this to Andrew.

NHRA should dump auto stage when they both stage they get a light . I think Buster was the best starter ever . if he wanted you too sit you sat if he wanted you do what you wanted he also let you do that  . I would like too see Tony S try what he did last year with buster . his next lap mite have taken about 20min . Buster mite have even reached in and shut fuel off him self . The starter is the captain of the ship out there on the starting line .  

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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:02pm

Staging lights are made to keep the game fair....as far back as staging goes there has been racers trying to use them for an edge on the guy or in this case girl in the other lane....The first one to light a bulb is the one who is suppose to light the second set of bulbs first ....

I never liked the burn down, usually started by the one that lite the first light, you can usually tell if that is happening to you and the way to reverse and confuse the one that started it is to stage fast and turn it around on the other racer....

The race between Angie and Andrew, who stage the first set of bulbs and that will be the one that started the unfair advandage....Sometimes it backfires....

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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:10pm
Joe, there is no rule that states that racer who pre stages first has to stage first............. per the rule book I have never read this in any rule book. The only thing I know for sure is when the auto start is on, after both pre stage bulbs are on and a racer stages the other racer has 7 seconds to stage or the tree will come down and give them an automatic red light. The only time you let a staging battle be an unfair advantage for your opponent is if you let them inside your head!  
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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:41pm

Originally posted by Wade Clark

Joe, there is no rule that states that racer who pre stages first has to stage first............. per the rule book I have never read this in any rule book. The only thing I know for sure is when the auto start is on, after both pre stage bulbs are on and a racer stages the other racer has 7 seconds to stage or the tree will come down and give them an automatic red light. The only time you let a staging battle be an unfair advantage for your opponent is if you let them inside your head!  

Didn't say it was a rule, just that was the way it was to keep every thing fair, on the up and up between riders.  I know the seven second rule was to stop burn downs, but it still happens with the first light....even to an extend with the second light, depends on the power of who the racers are....

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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by Joe Smith

The first one to light a bulb is the one who is suppose to light the second set of bulbs first ....

The race between Angie and Andrew, who stage the first set of bulbs and that will be the one that started the unfair advandage....Sometimes it backfires....

I am sorry Joe, I thought you were saying that was how it was suppose to be handled by the staging first deal........... I guess you were just stating your opinion and I thought you were stating it as written rule.

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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:58pm

I watch every NHRA race on TV and when I first heard about the auto start I was curious how true that was....I sit one day watching and had a stop watch in my hand and when the Top Fuel and Funny Cars were running there was a few times that it took the second light ten to fifteen seconds to light and no red light....So I figure the Auto Red light can be controlled from either the starter or the tower....

I had a matched race with Boris Murray at the Old US 30 track and we got there early and was invited to the tower and while there we were ask what kind of times we wanted during the race....go figure....

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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 11:06pm
Boy I bet there were some pissed off fuel car racers because if they stay on their brake that long it flubs up the clutch set up! I know they had a variable set up but I read some where the common one used was 7 seconds.
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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2008 at 11:28pm

Originally posted by Wade Clark

Boy I bet there were some pissed off fuel car racers because if they stay on their brake that long it flubs up the clutch set up! I know they had a variable set up but I read some where the common one used was 7 seconds.

Yea, and a stop watch is not very reliable either, watching and activating it watching TV, could be off a few second too....

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  Quote RandyMason Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 7:24am
Originally posted by Joe Smith

Originally posted by Wade Clark

Boy I bet there were some pissed off fuel car racers because if they stay on their brake that long it flubs up the clutch set up! I know they had a variable set up but I read some where the common one used was 7 seconds.

Yea, and a stop watch is not very reliable either, watching and activating it watching TV, could be off a few second too....

And sometimes it is still decided by who puts the most oil on their squeeky wheel first......lol.....

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  Quote Lonnie DeTurck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 9:42am

I thought you couldnt stage until your opponent prestaged in reference to what Steve did. Wasnt it that way before?

I dont care what anyone says , that shiit was funny. He has to almost laugh at it himself....

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  Quote Fasthouse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 10:46am

 I think courtesy staging is out the window in Pro catagories.

  I agree that he is just clowning around.......... if you can imagine such a thing!

I was taking to a guru, who was spittin' out some who do, and this hoodoo was no voodoo..... but a blessing in disguise
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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Lonnie DeTurck

I thought you couldnt stage until your opponent prestaged in reference to what Steve did. Wasnt it that way before?

I dont care what anyone says , that shiit was funny. He has to almost laugh at it himself....

Nobody that races Steve pays much attention to that anymore because he has been doing that for 10 years at minimum. If anyone lights both bulbs before you light one if it bothers you, you can ask the starter to back them out of the stage bulb before you prestage.

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  Quote hihosilver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 12:23pm

you can ask the starter to back them out of the stage bulb before you prestage.

I did not know that!.. I've never seen anyone asked to back out on request of the other racer.

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  Quote Marion Ford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2008 at 12:44pm
Go back and watch the run with Angie again and listen to the remark that Andrew made just before the camera went off.
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