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    Posted: 25 July 2008 at 9:08pm
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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2008 at 9:46pm

Oh my............. no way would I put my 12/13 year old on a bike that runs T/G times and with no bars at that! I bet that tracks insurance company would do back flips if they new that was going on.

The first pass looks good but the second pass looked like it was a handful on the top end.

I figure some are going to flame me for saying this but in IMO this is WAY to fast for such a young child............ I think we all know the repercussions of the young Henson deal. 

My signature was the same as Fasthouse's signature but then he changed it to some hoodoo voodoo stuff!
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  Quote teamdar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2008 at 10:10pm
A lotta high-fiven & hoot-holleren.....until he crashes his brains out. NUF SAID
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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 July 2008 at 4:09pm
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Oh my............. no way would I put my 12/13 year old on a bike that runs T/G times and with no bars at that! I bet that tracks insurance company would do back flips if they new that was going on.

The first pass looks good but the second pass looked like it was a handful on the top end.

I figure some are going to flame me for saying this but in IMO this is WAY to fast for such a young child............ I think we all know the repercussions of the young Henson deal. 

I noticed that this was at Beach Bend, most unusual they let that happen there.  Is it for sure the rider was that young. 

I don't think anyone should be allowed on a Drag Strip in or on any thing unless they have a valid Driver License.  Younger should have some strict ruling on speed and class, like the kids that run the Dragsters with the NHRA.

I brought it up a few times in the old days at some important meetings but it never got going.  It seems when I was racing there was a few strip across the country that had the driver license ruling.

 

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  Quote ray_marine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 5:16am

That is why there is jr dragsters division. They are scaled down dragsters. NO WAY would I let my kids do that.

 

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  Quote fastdaze3991 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 6:49am
This is no ordinary 13yr old kid. He already rides his parents bikes nad he lives eats and breathes motorcycles like most kids do video games. I have seen him around motorcycles and it didnt suprise me he went as fast as he did. Just look at the video and you will see little things this kid does that a lot of veteren dragracers dont do. This wont be the last you hear of Terry Martin.
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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 9:53am

The young fellow is impressive, leaving the starting line at idle is very impressive to me, I believe that's is the way it's suppose to be done.

His first run was 8.39 at 158.58 MPH, the second run was 8.72 at 119.60.  The second run was slower probably due to some handling problems in the top end.

Even so, at that age, if something happened to him it would cause some real problems for the bikes.  What his parents should do is contact NHRA and see about getting a license to run so that all concerned is not put on the spot.  If there is some question as to the age and safety factor, then his parents should take that into consideration as a fellow Drag Racer, especially if the boy is that interested in Motorcycle Drag Racing.

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  Quote Wade Clark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 10:55am
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Even so, at that age, if something happened to him it would cause some real problems for the bikes.  What his parents should do is contact NHRA and see about getting a license to run so that all concerned is not put on the spot.  If there is some question as to the age and safety factor, then his parents should take that into consideration as a fellow Drag Racer, especially if the boy is that interested in Motorcycle Drag Racing.

100% dead on target Joe!

The NHRA will not allow kids under the age of 16 to race motorcycles period.

My signature was the same as Fasthouse's signature but then he changed it to some hoodoo voodoo stuff!
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  Quote fastdaze3991 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 11:27am
Let me ask you this is it better that he do it on the street or at the track? not saying his parents would allow it but we push kids to doing  dumb stuff because its easier no rules and less complicated. Kids do stunts crash bikes and drive up insurance for sportbikes instead of participating in sanctioned events. The problem is NHRA and IHRA rules are very outdated when is the last time they changed any such rules? Our challenge in order to attract new  m/c dragracers is start a youth program not just say he is too young and shut him out until a certain age.
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  Quote Kawi1500Vortex2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:30pm

oh come on people - that is cool as hell.  so what if he crashes?  if your old ass crashes its gonna take you ten times longer to heal!  (me too...lol).  when i was 12 i had been drag racing for a good 5 years.  my dad had us strapped in to a water ski and he drug us behind his inj chrysler flat bottom.  you think that father is crazy for lettin his kid go 150 mph on a bike?  i would rather watch my 13 yr old go 150 on a bike than 100 on water. 

you all just wish your reflexes were still as quick as they were when you were 12

lol 

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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:48pm

Originally posted by fastdaze3991

Let me ask you this is it better that he do it on the street or at the track? not saying his parents would allow it but we push kids to doing  dumb stuff because its easier no rules and less complicated. Kids do stunts crash bikes and drive up insurance for sportbikes instead of participating in sanctioned events. The problem is NHRA and IHRA rules are very outdated when is the last time they changed any such rules? Our challenge in order to attract new  m/c dragracers is start a youth program not just say he is too young and shut him out until a certain age.

Fastdaze,

I'm all for it, go to the Sanctioned Body's and get the some rules changed.  You won't be the first person that has tried to change some rules in drag racing.  I'm sure there are hundreds of kids his age that would love to ride at the drags, maybe it would be a good time to introduce a new Junior Motorcycle Class.  Maybe start with a couple local drag strips and see if you can set something up with them.  You could make some head way if you could find an Insurance Company that would back your plan.

But, remember he's not old enough to legally ride on the street.  Does that mean if he can't run at the drags he will be riding on the street without a licence or insurance. I wouldn't think his parents would let that happen for there own sake.

As far as kids his age doing dumb stunts on the street, there are rules that keeps them from doing them, they're called "PARENTS RULE".

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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:54pm
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oh come on people - that is cool as hell.  so what if he crashes?  if your old ass crashes its gonna take you ten times longer to heal!  (me too...lol).  when i was 12 i had been drag racing for a good 5 years.  my dad had us strapped in to a water ski and he drug us behind his inj chrysler flat bottom.  you think that father is crazy for lettin his kid go 150 mph on a bike?  i would rather watch my 13 yr old go 150 on a bike than 100 on water. 

you all just wish your reflexes were still as quick as they were when you were 12

lol 

Tank,

Stick to your grudge races...........

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  Quote sonicrete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 12:56pm

Look at all the recent crashes that killed people caused by racing ON THE STREET.

They should be applauded for starting this kid correctly.

Now let's look at the rules by NHRA. A full gage in a convertible after 14.00,so your new Mustang needs to get cut up just to try it on a track. In our case running under 12.00 same full cage and this is a 4 cyl Plymouth Laser,of course turbocharged.

Bikes at under 10.00 needs full NHRA license,which takes out about all new production fast bikes.

All of this is a lot of expenses to run under controlled conditions which was the PRIMARY reason NHRA started in the first place.

Recently Hot Rod magazine was boasting about using airports,etc for drag strips,a "grass roots" drag racing effort saying the sanctioned drag styrips were "too expensive" due to insurance,etc. Pictures showed specators close to the race surface. In the same issue were people racing "things",not Soap Box Racers,down curvy hills in residential areas,till the police came and dispursed them. Needless to say no brakes and residences nearby is a recipe for someone gettng hurt.

Big difference from the past riding a lawn mower engine in a home built deal,to these modern motocross bikes the kids learn to ride on.

Looked to me the kid could handle the bike and even on the last pass shut it off when it got near the centerline.

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  Quote Kawi1500Vortex2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:17pm

the street racers in los angles would not like that kid

bet they dont like him very much back there either!

get wore out by a 12 yr old

tank

ps - how many of you at 12 had fake id's, were buying beer, smokin weed, stealing cars, sh1t like that?  if i opps i mean you were old enough at 12 to do stuff like that than why are you freakin on this kid now? 

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  Quote Joe Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 1:19pm

Sonicrete,

People killed on the street "racing" wasn't caused by racing, it was cause by people breaking the law.

If the young racer in question had permission from the drag strip to make those passes then I can't see where any harm was done except maybe to Sanctioned Motorcycle Drag Racing because it was giving to the world through a video.

Racing on an air strip without insurance, Wow.  The first time I crashed, if it hadn't been for the insurance the track had and the time I spent in the Hospital and going to the Doctor after I would have had to stop racing and get an extra job to pay for that crash, and that was years ago.

I'm not trying to put any one down about this issue, the kid made a great pass down the drag strip, as good as any one going for a license.  I'm just saying, follow the rules, they're there for your safety and protection.

 



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  Quote fastdaze3991 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:18pm

Joe,

His parents would not let him ride on the street thats not what i am saying, His parents are level headed and contrary what it may seem very responsible Ty would not let his son do that if he didnt believe he could handle it. and his mom was right there also, it was her bike he is riding. when i said kids stunting on the street i was refering kids 18 on up.  I was responding to the negative posts about lil Terry riding that bike. It is always exceptions to who can handle different situations and I think this young man can handle or did handle riding that motorcycle.

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  Quote Kawi1500Vortex2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:21pm

bring him out here and you can prolly retire in '09

how did they get him a tech card that night?

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  Quote sonicrete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 July 2008 at 3:54pm

I remember when Vance & Hines was running 9.50 "record times" in Pro Stock. Elmer was running low 8 sec with the double Harley.

Now barless bikes can run the "record times" Elmer ran with the supercharged Kawasaki,ie under 7.0 and over 200.

Moto cross bikes can do flips and stunts high in the air. The distances Evel did are common place and are doing tricks while in the air. Big difference in a 400# bike with 4" travel and a 200# bike with more than a foot of travel.

Kids of today are just growing up quicker because the equipment is better.

By the way when my kid turned 16 we entered him in Super Gas at the Prostar race in Bowling Green, Even though he had a drivers license,car and bike,it took a bunch of arguing to do it,so I wonder how they "bent" the rules. NHRA requires a bunch of stuff to run under 10.00 on any of their tracks and I forget the further hoops to jump through to go as quick as this kid is doing to be legal.

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  Quote jax1428 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2008 at 4:03pm
forbid it doesn't ever happen, but he gets in trouble, panics, crashes and dies then the parents want to sue the track and it's insurance company, saying that you all should have never let him go down the track... I think that if he's gonna go that fast he should have to be 18yrs. old so that " he" can sign the release and then if something tragic should happen no one can stand and point fingers...my 2 cents
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